Supernatural 5x02
Sep. 18th, 2009 09:29 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
katikatI can't believe that they went there, that they actually separated Sam and Dean, that Dean didn't protest when Sam suggested it... Sam's face, his broken expression when Dean simply agreed. I mean, I'm a Dean!girl but I'm not sure if I like Dean's reaction, his attitude. Sam needs help and instead of helping him, Dean's pulling the ground further from under Sam's feet...
But Rufus! Jo! Ellen! Bobby! Castiel! Awesome music!
And Dean's amulet! Eeeeeeeee! \o/
But Rufus! Jo! Ellen! Bobby! Castiel! Awesome music!
And Dean's amulet! Eeeeeeeee! \o/
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Date: 2009-09-18 08:12 am (UTC)I think with Dean as well for some reason he keeps up with standard of a what a perfect family is and despite what he's gone through he still doesn't think that they'll break your heart and since it's worth it you make it stronger and you make it better and yeah it's hard but like I said worth it. Oh Dean.
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Date: 2009-09-18 08:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-18 08:24 am (UTC)*Facepalm*
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Date: 2009-09-18 08:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-18 12:52 pm (UTC)And I also see it differently than I think everybody else does on what caused the apokalypse. Not their separating did to me but their inability to do so, to let go when it is better to. Selling your soul and/or your brain to a demon respectively is what got them in this mess in the first place. And I think they did it because they were too codependent.
If Dean fed Sam back his strength now and Sam allowed it, that would be disastrous. Sam needs to find his center alone. And it would also be good if he wasn't constantly around his drug supply - demons. Shacking up with Bobby would work for him atm.
On the other hand Dean can neither fix the very core of Sam, that, only Sam can do, nor can he selfishly take a break from the apokalypse because for Sam it is prudent to do.
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Date: 2009-09-18 02:15 pm (UTC)When Sam told him they should split. It felt more like he wanted Dean to protest, to show him that he still cared. And Dean just agreed. As Sam said: "I expected more of a fight." I understand why Sam felt the need to step back, but Dean didn't even ask where he was going, like "whatever" - what does he think will happen? That just because Sam decides not to hunt anymore, the demons will suddenly leave him alone? So instead of banding up together, they will now take them on each on their own? Yeah, like that worked out perfectly well in the past.
I just don't feel their connection anymore, to be honest, especially not on Dean's part. And I hope that the writers will fix it somehow because I'm starting to get a bit annoyed with Dean's attitude - and I am a Dean!girl.
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Date: 2009-09-18 02:28 pm (UTC)I think he clearly does. He was hesitant of giving away the amulet and he did offer Sam the Impala, the thing that is "home" to Dean. He also still called him Sammy and his face told me that it hurt him, too. Indifference would look different.
When Sam told him they should split. It felt more like he wanted Dean to protest, to show him that he still cared.
I don't really like playing that particular game of chicken because it can yield different results than you want to have.
Thing is, Dean is no longer that person that has Sam as his first and last thought and can't handle being on his own, has to chase after Sam whenever Sam runs. And I'm more than okay with that because I always found that a bit - sometimes a lot - pathetic. I had like NO empathy for the deal way back when.
In a way they are both still used to that version of Dean so the new one may seem cold but to me I can respect the new version more.
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Date: 2009-09-18 06:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-18 07:23 pm (UTC)We'll have to agree to disagree there.
And I can't respect that. Dean has become John, the hunt more important than family, and intensely disliked John.
If he was all "I don't care about the apokalypse because I have to hold my brother's hand", I wouldn't think much of him. John left his kids alone for regular hunts, that is not the same thing to me.
I always liked that for Dean, family came first.
I think he went way, way too far in it. And meanwhile his family felt perfectly fine putting themselves first - John in an unhealthy way and Sam in a healthy way - so why can they do it and Dean can't? Kinda makes him the chump of that family.
Fine, he'll stop the apocalypse - but if he comes out on the other end realizing that he doesn't have anything left, will he find that worth it?
Not stopping the apokalypse means anybody is going to die or turn into demons anyway, including Sam and him so it should be worth it, no matter the personal cost to him, yes.
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Date: 2009-09-18 07:57 pm (UTC)I never thought so, I never thought that he went too far. He did what he could to keep his family together. Yeah, they had big problems and faced huge obstacles - but together. And that's why I connected with him. This Dean... I don't recognize him and I'm not sure if I even like him. He's turning into John and I hated John. The hunt is everything, no matter the cost to the family. And that's not the Dean that I fell in love with.
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Date: 2009-09-18 08:18 pm (UTC)Sam got lauded for doing the healthy thing for himself by going to Stanford while for the first two Seasons a lot of people looked down on Dean as the clingy, over-protective mess who didn't respect his brother enough to be his own man. Now he does and he does make healthy decisions like Sam did. Why is it so horrible when he does it? He puts the apokalypse, the big picture first. That is not John to me, that is a grown-up Dean.
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Date: 2009-09-18 08:42 pm (UTC)Unfortunately, I didn't see it that way. Instead of dealing with the issues he has with Sam, he avoided them by going separate ways. Mature behavior would be, IMHO, saying no, enough running, we will stick together and actually deal for once like adults. He's doing exactly what John did - no boys, I can't take you with me, I can't worry about you etc. etc., I have to go alone and face the bad guy. Also, his behavior kinda reminds me of Sam in S4, when he told Ruby that he wanted to hunt without Dean because Dean was weak. Now Dean is saying that he can't hunt with Sam because Sam might slip again.
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Date: 2009-09-18 09:02 pm (UTC)I think adults can and should take breaks in their relationships when they feel it prudent. It is often better to get some space and perspective than to force it by remaining together no matter what.
That's kinda what they did in Season 4, trying to force themselves together and it didn't work. I wanted them to split for a while at certain points there.
Now Dean is saying that he can't hunt with Sam because Sam might slip again.
And so does Sam. The last thing Sam should be around is demons and their blood constantly. Of course he has a high risk of slipping up there. I would think that, too if I were either Dean or Sam.
And it's clearly not forever. The new ep synopsis already seems to tuck a neat little bow to it all. I already imagine I will feel more cheated if they just smish them easily together again or have "epiphany" episodes where Sam loses his newfound perspective and Dean loses his newfound balls and then they are right back where they started.
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Date: 2009-09-19 02:50 am (UTC)I have to agree with astri in that adults in relationships whether it's family ties, platonic, or romantic, must learn to step back and take breaks. It doesn't mean you don't care.
You just get to a point where the conversation goes in circles, neither side gets their point across, both sides feeling burnt. The best course of action would be to take some distance, cool off, then talk.
There's no way you can talk things out when emotions are running high.
Also, I agree with you, astri, that Dean's finally learning to see he's worth something, that's he's living for himself and finally growing up.
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Date: 2009-09-19 07:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-18 04:49 pm (UTC)But still. I'm broken.
:(
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Date: 2009-09-18 06:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-18 05:51 pm (UTC)Oh, and then there is the ending. I admit to being a Dean-girl, too, but man. Dean. It's just. I go back to his quote to Sam in season 4: "If I didn't know you, I'd want to hunt you." He's always seen hunting as much more black-and-white/good-and-evil than Sam has, and, while that lessened a bit in season 4, I think Ruby's betrayal sent him back to that. And then there's Sam, who lives in that grey area that Dean doesn't recognize. I think, at this point, Dean just doesn't know what to do with Sam. He doesn't even really know how to interact with him anymore. So, he took the easy way out by agreeing to let Sam leave. I saw no malice in the parting, though; I mean, Dean offered Sam the Impala, the one constant in his life, his baby.
And now I eagerly wait for next week. Although it's going to be weird with the two separated.
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Date: 2009-09-18 07:52 pm (UTC)I'm not sure if I like the fact that Dean's basically turning into John - the hunt is more important than family. Dean's endless love for his family is what made me connect with him...
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Date: 2009-09-19 03:07 pm (UTC)I hope I'm not completely wrong and Dean actually is turning into John. D: Not cool, not cool.