Is Misha Collins staying or not?

[katikat]

I think this question has been answered now. Is it a spoiler or not? Better safe than sorry.

As Mo Ryan says: "Collins is listed as a series regular for Season 6 in the CW's press release." So, Castiel's officially back. And I'm glad.

Mo Ryan also talks about SPN's relocation to Friday, beware of S5 finale spoilers, though!

Comments

[leoraine.livejournal.com]

Yay! Does a happy dance around the table. I love Castiel, human or angel, either way goes:-) It's nice to know he'll be back:-)

[katikat.livejournal.com]

It really is. He has the best lines! XD

[sharona1x2.livejournal.com]

I think you know how I feel about this. ♥

[katikat.livejournal.com]

Hehe, I think I do. It's awesome! ♥

[beccaabbott.livejournal.com]

OMG! Yippee!!!!! I'm so glad they kept him. I love Cas!

[katikat.livejournal.com]

Me too! He adds so much to the show :)

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

I love Castiel, I'm glad he stays! Still, sucks to be Jimmy...

[katikat.livejournal.com]

True, but it was Jimmy's own decision - the 2nd time he did it to save his daughter, but the 1st time it was free will.

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

Free will based on angel propaganda, so I don't know how good it could have been. I am hoping he'll get mildly chewed out for this, there's not nearly enough Jimmy-love in the fandom. Or canon, come to think of it. :(

[katikat.livejournal.com]

I don't know, I wouldn't want the writers poking around with that anymore. It would be all "this ableist" or whatever crap again, like with Ruby 2.0. Propaganda or not, kinda don't see how he could've thought that giving your body over to someone else was a good idea. But that's just me :)

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying I want the show to become a consent issue debate, but I find it grating when I see Castiel, a character I'm obviously rooting for, using a host body like he does (drinking a liquor store, etc.). I'm less about the themes and "isms" than I am about characters. :D

Now, see, I could buy, heck, I've bought the initial scenario - he was a deeply religious man, he believed in God and that the angels are his messengers, it made sense that he would agree to just about anything. The Bible is clear where God stands on "total obedience" versus "rational analysis". I've also understood the second time it happened, he wanted to spare his daughter what he knew was an "And I Must Scream". I just keep remembering that Castiel, when he possessed Claire, had just returned from extensive brainwashing, but he'd grown to appreciate humans again since then.

I got irrationally attached to Jimmy. :)

[katikat.livejournal.com]

Well, didn't Cas said to Jimmy the 2nd time around that if he said yes now, it would be for ever? No going back? Something of Jimmy's obviously left there but I think he's basically gone. So I kinda don't see the point of going back to the issue of Jimmy when it's Cas' body now to do with it as he pleases.

But yeah, I'm kinda touchy about the whole possession thing because the last time it was dragged up, fans started to go all moral and about how it was wrong etc. I would really hate to see that happening again.

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

I have to say I lasted the past season by stuffing my fingers in my ears and going lalalala whenever the vessels were mentioned, because why would an angel need a vessel continues to ellude me, even now. Anna seemed to get by okay, after all.

Yes, Castiel said something to that effect and there are two things that bother me about it: first, what happens to Jimmy when Castiel goes back to heaven, and second, again, the consent issue. "Agree to become my sockpuppet for all eternity, or your daughter will," somehow doesn't sound all that inspiring. Besides, didn't he say in MBV that Jimmy is still alive in there?

Don't you think it's wrong? I'd be happiest if Castiel says he got his BAMF mojo supercharged, so he could evict Jimmy and send him to Heaven, while Cas prances about in the body suit.

[katikat.livejournal.com]

No, it doesn't really bother me. I think that Jimmy isn't there anymore. Not really. He's dead. The way Sam would be dead if Lucifer didn't keep him alive on purpose. Castiel had no reason to keep Jimmy alive. So there might be some echoes of his personality, but it's not Jimmy anymore. Jimmy said yes knowing there was no way back and for me that was that, no need to go back to it again.

I don't think he said that Jimmy was alive, only that Cas felt him craving meat, or something like that.

And Anna was born. After she lost her grace, she stopped being an angel and thus she didn't need a permission to enter a body and she entered an unborn child. So, Anna was living in someone else's body too.

Why would angels need a body? Because, as it was proven in 401, humans can't handle angels in their pure form, they need to... dumb themselves down, hide in a shell - but their being burns out the shell from the inside. Angels are not nice, fluffy beings in SPN, they are just as much cruel bastards as the demons.

I think that the whole host/angel or demon thing has been dealt with to exhaustion. I would prefer something new. Too many details and/or mulling over hurts the story sometimes.

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

I didn't get the impression Jimmy was going to die as a result of accepting Castiel, which is why it was so tragic. I'll try to believe that, here's hoping the show doesn't prove me wrong. :)

Okay, yeah, season four vessel business was perfectly straightforward - angels need vessels to interact with humans. No problem there. It was when it turned out they need vessels to interact with one another, that's when I go bzuh? Why was it necessary for the Michael/Lucifer showdown to utilise Sam and Dean? Why did Lucifer want a vessel, period? He hates humans, and lesser angels have vocalised their distaste for meatsuits. That doesn't make sense to me.

I found Anna's situation to be convoluted, at best, as show seemed unclear on which part makes the angel - I figured an angel is (something much like) a soul with grace. Anna cast away her grace, so she became mostly human (show implied by miracling a foetus in her mother's womb), when she regained grace, her body was destroyed. Then she reappears in her "human" body, saying she called in some favours. Shaky, but I guess it works. Only it begs the question why do angels need ensouled bodies in the first place?