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[katikat]

Point: Angels are just as bad as demons, just fighting for a different side. Go figure.

I'm not sure if I still like the show as much as I used to. I mean, it's still great and really intense. But I fell for the show because of its "Family above everything" motto. I loved the horror, the bleakness - as long as it was balanced with Sam and Dean being brothers. Them against the big bad world? Awesome. Them against the big bad world AND each other? Not so much. I'm sick of shows/movies/books that set brother against brother because obviously, people love it - well, I don't. I want Sam and Dean to be what they were not... this. I never understood the "tension" writers reportedly produce by letting people who used to be close at each other's throats. Yes, because it's so much fun when a person that I would die for stabs me in the back.

Comments

[jellicle.livejournal.com]

Ditto, darling. This is exactly how I feel.

[katikat.livejournal.com]

I really miss the... shiny in the show. When I watch them fight for each other, protect each other. Now Sam is a jerk and an addict and Dean just doesn't care anymore. I'm not sure they can go back from that.

[bendtothesun.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure I get the stabs in the back part but I understand where you're coming from. Yeah I do like it but I like it because I have utter faith that they're not going to end. People who love each other can still do shitty things to one another and it's almost like a ...test of love if you both can get past it and come out of it stronger.

They'll get back to what they were but it's gonna take some time and compromise and work on both ends.

Okay and *yes* thank you. The angels have always come off and complete douches to me. They have the same pov as demons that humans are just *tools* and stupid and whatever and it kinda pisses me off. Just because you have more power/different race doesn't mean you get to think you're above me.

(General you, if you personally have powers well, awesome!)

[katikat.livejournal.com]

The backstabbing thingy wasn't meant at SPN but at the whole "tension" and whatnot between characters in general. I just really don't like it. Personally, I don't like to argue with people.

And I'm not so sure they can go back to really being brothers again after this. At least for me it will be hard to believe. Because if someone did what Sam's doing to Dean now to me, I would never really trust them again. I just couldn't be sure. I could forgive but I could never forget and there would always be this tiny voice in the back of my head telling me "He did it once, why can't he go behind your back and lie to you again? How can you be sure that he doesn't still think you are a weak whiner?"

That's just my personal experience. I never forget. Never ever. It's a curse but the bad things just tend to stick in my head and what was good and nice before gets sour and ugly fast.

[layne67.livejournal.com]

I've still got hope. Kati. 'Jump the Shark' for instance, I was spoiled for that episode beforehand and I really thought I would hate the episode, to the point of almost wanting to skip it altogether. Turns out that the ep was alright after all.

So yeah, I've still got hope that the two brothers would still be together in the end, and we won't end up hating the show after the finale. Because it's one thing to have fans being antsy for one week until the next episode, but to have fans worrying for months during the hiatus ... they could lose fans and I really hope that they do realize that!

[katikat.livejournal.com]

The thing is that I don't think that there's a way for Kripke to solve it somehow before the season finale. I fear that the rift will continue for a good while in S5

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

On one hand I hear you - I loved the SamandDeanness from the getgo. On another, from the beginning Sam was consistently shown as being blind-sided by his own need for revenge, much like John, and much as it pains me, from a writer's point of view it was inevitable that it will drive them apart. I can only hope that season 5 will have them together again, because I can't see the show working for a season with them apart. And judging by the previews, the row will be epic.

[katikat.livejournal.com]

I understand that from writer's point, it's an interesting thing to do. On the other hand, every show/movie/book that has brothers apparently finds it necessary to have them at each other's throats. And time after time after time, it does get quite boring. SPN was the one show that was different in that. Oh well... :(

[keire-ke.livejournal.com]

Huh, had a thought. While yeah, this is painful to watch and all, but Sam and Dean are nowhere near over. Wherever they go from where they stand, they will go with the other in mind. Sam's hate for Lilith is about Dean, which makes is so tenacious and Dean has always been about Sam. In a way they are still on the same side. :) I think they will reconcile, in the end. They love each other too much to allow even the Apocalypse to drive them apart for long.